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Anti-gay group releases ad comparing homosexuality to pedophilia

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The National Organization for Marriage released an ad saying that allowing gay couples to marry would be akin to legalizing pedophilia and incest.

The National Organization for Marriage released an ad saying that allowing gay couples to marry would be akin to legalizing pedophilia and incest.

In the video posted on the group’s website, a female narrator says the government has only three options to influence the behavior of its citizens.

In the first example, the government promotes police work, permits most occupations and prohibits drug dealing.

The second example has the government promoting “natural marriage,” permitting some relationships and prohibiting incest and pedophilia.

“Natural marriage,” the narrator adds, “perpetuates and stabilizes society. Everyone benefits from that, even those who don’t get married. … Same-sex marriage offers no benefit for society as a whole. In fact, it hurts us.”

NOM formed in 2007 to help pass California’s gay marriage ban, Proposition 8.

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  • In a few years, this video will look like one of those misguided, hateful, and ridiculous propaganda films shown in classes in the 50s and 60s.To me it already does.

  • ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!

    There are NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO reputable studies that verify or validate these bigoted allegations.

  • Just replace same-sex with Indian, black, foreign, female or name of any group who isn't white, of acceptable religion or male. You can't sell me a mound of horse shit and tell me it's chocolate colored diamonds – horse shit is horse shit no matter how you dress it up. And, I know, as I've cleaned my share of stalls over the years.

  • This is high on the scale of irony considering the fact that many incest and sexual abuse victims are abused by "God fearing," heterosexual fathers and church leaders. The Catholics do not have a market on child sexual abuse.

  • WTFFFFFFFFFF I like WOMEN NOT GIRLS AND THE GAY PEOPLE I KNOW ARE NOT PEDOPHILLES! WHERE ARE YOU CHECKING YOUR FACTS? YOU ARE NOT FACT CHECKING AT ALL! PUT YOUR MONEY TOWARDS THE TREVOR PROJECT WHICH HELPS KEEP GAY KIDS FROM COMMITTING SUICIDE BECAUSE OF RIDICULE FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

  • Crazy people that don't take science seriously are a threat to our freedoms. Ironic too, b/c most of them claim they want gov't out of their lives.
    Besides, where is the fervor for divorcees and horrible marriages? Shouldn't they be crucified, too? Morons.

  • For some weird reason every time I see this ads, make me think on the misguided information this people have because they don't know better, I feel shame for them because their hate effort could be converted into something constructive. I do agree with Michael Aaron, they look like the propaganda films from the 50's/.

  • Um…. yeah. No. This really shouldn't even be an issue…. I mean, it's not like legalizing same-sex marriages is going to hurt anyone. And as far as civilizing men…. Yeah, that just sounds ignorant.

  • Agreed! That's like an episode of SVU when some guy was trying to make "attraction to children" a sexual orientation. It's fucking disgusting and I can't stand that bullshit!

  • "How often do married men roam the streets in gangs?"
    Clearly they don't get out much.

    And they can call it what they want. discrimination to the core.

  • Being gay is not a choice in the same way that being left handed or being black or white is not a choice.

    Scientific and medical understanding is that sexual orientation is not chosen, but is the result of a complex interplay of biological and environmental factors leading to a persons sexuality. This is according to all accredited medical organizations around the world from the American Medical Association to The British royal society of psychologists etc

    Homosexual activity is not unnatural or dysfunctional, research shows that homosexuality is an example of normal variation in human sexuality and is not in and of itself a source of negative psychological effects.

    Prejudice and discrimination against homosexual and bisexual people such as that demonstrated by the church & some people, however, has been shown to cause psychological harm which is why suicide is higher amongst gay & lesbian women than in the rest of the population.

    Homosexual behaviour is not against nature or unnatural as it has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented in at least 500 of them.

    Homosexuality is not increasing, gay people do not recruit, homosexuality cannot be taught and is not a threat to humanity.

    Why would a religion like Christianity (supposedly based on the love & acceptance Jesus preached) promote inequality? It doesn't but some people CHOOSE to interpret it this way to fit their own bigoted views.

    I'm sure if God exists he/she/it knows what they are doing but everyone should be anti religion if that religion promotes faith over facts, ignorance over enlightenment or obedience over free thinking.

    Religion is where ignorance is venerated over knowledge like a room full of blind people claiming only they can see the light.

    Yeah it's nice to think your right, to believe your saved, your special, to belong to an exclusive club (who's only membership requirement is that you stop thinking for yourself) but although such ignorance is comforting it comes at too big a price.

    If you want to know God look to science which describes the world in all its beauty & majesty. It's not perfect but it's the closest tool we have for understanding & aiming for truth. If there's a creator their handy work is described there not in thousand year old books written by men, not for you, but for people in the past.

    Look to beauty, truth, love etc

    Look to our highest ideals that God provided, meditate, be kind, live & let live & love one another but whatever you do don't look in books written thousands of years ago.

    Fortunately we no longer follow much of what the bible says as we know that is is wrong & no longer applies to modern life (see examples below) so to pick those elements in the bible that describe homosexuality as wrong & reject the following passages is simply to use the bible to support homophobic prejudice & nothing more:

    "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

    "…whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11 & Luke 16:18)

    "You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together." (Leviticus 19:19)

    "Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)

    "Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    We don't follow or believe in this nonsense anymore so why CHOOSE to believe the same nonsense in the bible about homosexuality?

    Being against equality for all is simply wrong & to use the bible to pick & choose your morals is equally wrong.

    Think for yourself & look to the facts rather than allowing others in the church to decide your morals for you.

    There is nothing wrong with two people loving one another no matter whether they are two women, a woman & a man or two men.

    Love will always be stronger than hate or ignorance of the facts. Don't be on the wrong side of history & support equality for all.

  • Organizations like NOM, and the fearful, bigoted people who join them, don't really care much about facts. Reputable studies would just employ logic and that would confuse them. After all, how can something other than what they "believe" possibly be true???

  • This is an outrageous lie, all of it. It is way beyond untruthful, it is an outright lie. The Catholic priests have proven it as well as the Boy Scouts of America! When are people going to wake up?! We have a sick society and just continue to perpetuate lies.

  • The funny thing is… This "Biology" that you're talking about has just been changed by science. Homosexual couples are on the verge of being able to have their own children. Biologically.

  • I find that there is a big trend arising. Homophobes will make a statement on gay marriage or something, then follow it up with "this isn't a statement of hate, it's pure biology" or "this isn't bigotry, it's just how I feel the facts work."

  • Not that I'm disputing the rest of your argument, but being left handed is a choice. It's something you learn. I was originally right handed in preschool, then in kindergarten I learned left handed writing.

  • I would think we are overpopulated enough as it is, so their arguments about propagation aren't valid. Same sex couples are actually helpful in that they are more likely to adopt a child who needs a family.

  • It shocks me to think that people actually think like this. I don't get what is so wrong about making everyone equal regardless of sexual orientation, race, age, gender etc. Since when has "natural marriage" ever benefited society? Making men civilized? What kind of bullshit is that?

  • MINN. VOTE NO. A NO vote means that you stand against hate in all it's forms. HATE loves to disguise itself as good to promote the separation of peoples within a community. IT seeks to divide rather than unite. IT seeks to control your actions, your thoughts and your own freedoms. IT slowly robs you of your ability to reason and think for yourself and to decide what is best for you, your family and your community. IT eventually leads you into all manner of hateful pride until you believe and promote the superiority of your race, your creed, your belief above those whom you live among, work with, shop with and sit in public places with. IT is what made NAZI Germany what it was. IT is what created and kept alive the communist and facist regimes and dictatorships. IT fueled the Spanish Inquisitions, the Salem Witch Trials, the Ethnic Cleansing of Bosnia/Herzegovina, and the Genocides in the nations of Africa.

    STAND AGAINST HATE!

    VOTE 'NO' on Amendment 1!

  • So I'm sure they're planning to pass laws banning non-procreative straight couples from getting married, right? and they'll want to ban divorce because that prevents both biological parents from raising their children, right? No? Then the only thing they're selling here is bigotry wrapped in pretty graphics. But bigotry none the less. Straight people DO NOT have to prove to society that their marriage is going to benefit everyone else. Neither the state nor the government cares if straight couples EVER have children. No one has ever been obligated to procreate for the sake of the government.

    They also believe that the only way married people contribute to society is by procreating. Such idiocy. I'll be sure and tell all the medical researchers that are trying to cure cancer and AIDS to stop what they're doing and just start making babies; and no one should bother creating music or works of art, because society only benefits when straight couples kick out some kids. I suppose we should assume that when those straight couples finish raising their "societal" offspring they'll immediately get divorced since they fulfilled their procreative obligation to society, right?

  • Copied from jason Feather's post:

    Being gay is not a choice in the same way that being left handed or being black or white is not a choice.

    Scientific and medical understanding is that sexual orientation is not chosen, but is the result of a complex interplay of biological and environmental factors leading to a persons sexuality. This is according to all accredited medical organizations around the world from the American Medical Association to The British royal society of psychologists etc

    Homosexual activity is not unnatural or dysfunctional, research shows that homosexuality is an example of normal variation in human sexuality and is not in and of itself a source of negative psychological effects.

    Prejudice and discrimination against homosexual and bisexual people such as that demonstrated by the church & some people, however, has been shown to cause psy…chological harm which is why suicide is higher amongst gay & lesbian women than in the rest of the population.

    Homosexual behaviour is not against nature or unnatural as it has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented in at least 500 of them.

    Homosexuality is not increasing, gay people do not recruit, homosexuality cannot be taught and is not a threat to humanity.

    Why would a religion like Christianity (supposedly based on the love & acceptance Jesus preached) promote inequality? It doesn't but some people CHOOSE to interpret it this way to fit their own bigoted view.
    I'm sure if God exists he/she/it knows what they are doing but everyone should be anti religion if that religion promotes faith over facts, ignorance over enlightenment or obedience over free thinking.

    Religion is where ignorance is venerated over knowledge like a room full of blind people claiming only they can see the light.

    Yeah it's nice to think your right, to believe your saved, your special, to belong to an exclusive club (who's only membership requirement is that you stop thinking for yourself) but although such ignorance is comforting it comes at too big a price.

    If you want to know God look to science which describes the world in all its beauty & majesty. It's not perfect but it's the closest tool we have for understanding & aiming for truth. If there's a creator their handy work is described there not in thousand year old books written by men, not for you, but for people in the past.

    Look to beauty, truth, love etc

    Look to our highest ideals that God provided, meditate, be kind, live & let live & love one another but whatever you do don't look in books written thousands of years ago.

    Fortunately we no longer follow much of what the bible says as we know that is is wrong & no longer applies to modern life (see examples below) so to pick those elements in the bible that describe homosexuality as wrong & reject the following passages is simply to use the bible to support homophobic prejudice & nothing more:

    "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

    "…whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11 & Luke 16:18)

    "You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together." (Leviticus 19:19)

    "Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)

    "Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death." (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    We don't follow or believe in this nonsense anymore so why CHOOSE to believe the same nonsense in the bible about homosexuality?

    Being against equality for all is simply wrong & to use the bible to pick & choose your morals is equally wrong.

    Think for yourself & look to the facts rather than allowing others in the church to decide your morals for you.

    There is nothing wrong with two people loving one another no matter whether they are two women, a woman & a man or two men.

    Love will always be stronger than hate or ignorance of the facts. Don't be on the wrong side of history & support equality for all.

  • Agreed. The lame argument that says citizens have equal rights since they can marry someone from the "opposite" sex could have been used 50 years ago to forbid interracial marriages saying that everyone had the right to marry someone of their "same" race.

  • That's enough, I've seen enough. There are so many holes in their arguments, it's a cobweb. I live in Canada. One of the countries who has embraced marriage equity. If the groundhogs poke their heads out once in awhile, they'll see how thin these arguments really are.
    Nice graphics though. I recommend a counter video in the same graphic and musical treatment, that lays to rest this thinly veiled trash. My spouse is a video editor, he would say, "you can put a pretty bow on poo… but it's still poo".

  • OOOh, boohoo someone in a public position got fired for being a bigot… I'll have to cry about that later because I'm busy having a terrific life filled with positive feelings for people who show unconditional love and acceptance for all… but really, Biology? Here's an interesting fact through the "MIRACLE" of science two men or two women will be capable of having biological offspring, (Cite:http://www.mambaonline.com/article.asp?artid=7490)… Gotta Love Japan first Lash Bars now this! BooYah! The pedophilia argument is a little old,…In 82% of cases, the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close relative of the child.

  • Well I can name several children of "natural marriage" that turned out great! lets see…. Gary Ridgway, Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish, Joachim Kroll, Dennis Rader, Ted Bundy, and the top of the list for natural born and raised children….. Luis Alfredo Garavito he was a Child-murderer, torture-killer, and rapist. yeah Nothing was wrong in their families!

  • It "keeps women protected" does it?
    What about the women who are victims of domestic violence–not only the women, but the men and children as well? These sorts of things just piss me off. I sit here shaking my head the entire time, telling the computer "NO! That's not how this works!" like a damn crazy person.

    It does not take a man and a woman to raise a happy family. That's not the recipe for success. A happy family must have love, no matter the gender of the parents. :/

  • "Natural Marriage" is still "promoted" if gay couples can ALSO marry. And if homosexuality is a "behavior" then so is "heterosexuality". This video is laughable.

  • wow… that´s bigotry in it´s pure form.
    i have to admit, I had many facepalms while watching this… those people are hatful idiots -.-

  • I dont see the correlation between drug abuse, pedophilia, compared to homosexuality. How does heterosexuality compare to drug abuse or pedophilia. Rhetorical

  • yep, for me too 😉
    especially cos of the background-music … yuck! … sounds like they try to hypnotize us (>д<)

  • @tim burns really? i´m left handed, but since ever … the weird part is, that i just draw and write with my left hand, everything else… , well, just like i feel 🙂
    so maybe i´m kinda "both handed" (without the write part, seriously, you would not be able to decipher that)

  • I'm still trying to figure out how gay people getting hitched = end of world. Course this is the same people that refute scientific evidence that the world is warming with a passage from the bible.

  • The most stupid thing here is the term "Natural Marriage". Marriage is not a natural behaviour inscripted in our DNA, it is an artificial construct created by society. So biology has nothing to do with it and to define what marriage should or should not be, is up to us, the people. Or have you ever seen a walrus wearing a wedding ring?

  • What kind of sideways shit propaganda is this? Fuckin' homophobes and religious nutjobs will stop at nothing to prove how "not gay" they are.

  • oh for heavens sake….this group iis CRAZY….good god….they need to GET OVER THEMSELVES….they should be going after the CATHOLIC CHURCH and their child rapists…..they drive me crazy.

  • Then please explain to us when you learned to be right handed, Tim. Can you recall choosing? Or was it something you just did?

  • Marriage is not 'natural' it has been created by humans, right there the argument is discredited.

  • Same-sex marriage offers no benefit for society as a whole. In fact, it hurts us.” Offers no benefit for society? Actually it assists in the slowing down of planet over population which is the greatest threat to human kind. Currently 7, billion people. that is 7,000,000,000 and rising. When the Ozone layer is finally gone and we all fry, where will God be then? You should actually welcome anyone who does not contribute to over breeding.

  • No, that is bigotry.
    Bigotry by definition is when you just close the debate by answering your own question without even wondering about your interlocutor. That is what you are doing in this video.
    Also, you are simply and stupidly denying every benefits from same-sex marriage and the very existance of trans* people (because, yes, some homosexual relationships can biologically and naturally bring children to this world).
    There are so much wrong things in this video, and obvious ones at that, it's difficult to respond to them all.

  • Sorry to disappoint these "idiots"but there is no such thing as "natural marriage", Marriage , Like God, is man made. The word Natural means -by nature, what other animals/species go through a "ritual"? Warning all dog breeders! how can you breed dogs if they are not "married"? Once again the "God botherers" are thinking and talking crap! They are soo soo laughable.

  • A study of behavioral science in the FBI reveasl that hetrosexual men who are known pediphinles far…I mean, faaarrrr outnumber homosexual men. In fact, pedophilia has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation just as rape has nothing to do with sex. This is power over individuals who are weaker and more vulnerable and we all know who has the reputation for that, straight or gay!

  • what im saying is, how is sexual orientation connected to Pedophilia and drug abuse. Im straight, doesnt mean im going to be a pedo, or go do drugs. Just as someone who is gay/lesbian/ doesnt mean they will do drugs or be a pedophile. The Video is trying to show the benefits vs harm of natural marriage vs gay marriage. Which in the video, the speaker tries to say Gay marriage will break down society, and "offers no benefit for society as a whole". They forget the financial and medical benefits for legal unions, and the video constantly tries to say this way, no exceptions. Example, would be for kids being raised in a family should only have a motherly, fatherly guardians.

  • Also at the end, states everyone is treated equally, BUT, not when it comes to behaviors. To say it discriminates against behaviors, not people is a paradox, sexuality makes up the person. Its like the 50's of interracial marriage. Marriage is what you make it. there are 7 billion people in the world, all with different cultures, races, and religions. My belief in marriage would contradict a muslims, Hindus, Jews, ect but im not off targeting a group saying my belief in marriage is different from yours, you shouldnt be allowed to get married,that would be insane. I am a hard conservative, and this is one of the things i feel like my party will become dumb over. Which goes against being Republican in my eyes. Separation of Church and state, would seem likely to go hand in hand with conservatism to minimize the government so they cant tell us what we can and cannot do when it comes to things outside of Universal Law.

  • Ehh, not really. Ive taken numerous tests in school and out of school, Libertarian swings left, Im Far right, and Gay marriage being the strong social issue it is cant really alone define what political party you call yourself under. Because Obviously the democratic party, for the most part supports it, but for the republican party will fight against it, not all of course, because there are those who define their strong conservatism to say gay marriage and their outlook could actually support and back their words of separation of church and state, / me who is strong in conservatism in defining Universal Law from personal beliefs, and as ive said i strongly believe gay marriage shouldnt even be an issue. Why conservatives fight against gay marriage, is the internal struggle of their own beliefs, outside of what they usually fight for ( minimizing government to only dare needed things to place power in its citizens) You could get a Muslim, Jew, and Christian who all have a different ceremony for marriage, different outlook of marriage, but what do they all believe in? The union under God between man and woman. The conservative party isnt just made up of fanatic Christians, both parties are extremely diverse.

  • Wow, what a bunch of ignorant, bigoted people. Discrimination harms society and that is what these people are doing. They are absolutely on the wrong side of history.

  • They only bring more negative attention by spewing hate. look at the xomments here and know that really it is open mindedness that is prevalent and these unfortunate ignorant people are in the minority.

  • What an offensive load of tripe. No justification is provided for hetrosexual marriage being any more "natural" than homosexual marriage. Vague "statistics" are alluded to with, again, no specific examples. All in all it's just a cover for blatant bigotry that makes random allegations without justification.

  • Maria's and Lani's comments are the only reason I'm not going to share this article with an angry message.

  • Bare fordi man ikke er som flertallet kan man jo godt være okay. 🙂 Min røv skal du bare ikke tænke på min ven. Ved du har humor 😉

  • Tim, you're ambidextrous and that's really not relevant. It's a great thing though. I'm jealous, my left hand is useless xD

  • o ein dummer Artikel,nein ein walroß trägt keinen Ehering,nichtsdestotrotz gibt es einige Tierarten die in Einehe und in lebenslanger Treue zu einem Patrtner leben,so z.b. die Störche,Die Monogamie ist sehr wohl von der Natur in den Menschen gelegt ,wenn auch nicht in alle.Zu behaupten ,monogame Menschen wären nicht aus ihrer natürlichen Veranlagung heraus monogam sondern von der Gesellschaft dazu gezwungen worden ist Quatsch.

  • Wer behauptet das denn? Ich jedenfalls nicht. Ich schreibe mit meinem Kommentar nur dagegen an, dass einige Leute,vor allem religiöse Rechte, behaupten, die Ehe wäre natürlich (oder auch von irgendeinem "Gott") gegeben und nur in ihrer herkömmlichen heterosexuellen Variante die einzig wahre Lebensform. Denn das ist sie nicht, sie ist ein von Menschen gemachtes soziales Konstrukt. Im Übrigen ist "Monogamie" auch nicht das Gleiche wie "Ehe", da muss man schon differenzieren! Ich will mit meinem Kommentar daher vor allem darauf hinaus, dass es keinen Grund aus der Natur heraus gibt, warum man als gestaltende Gesellschaft die Ehe nicht auch für gleichgeschlechtlich Liebende öffnen sollte, denn dafür stehe ich ein. Menschen sind von Natur aus weder monogam noch polygam, sie können je nach Veranlagung frei entscheiden und sollen das auch.Und wer es möchte,soll auch heiraten können, egal ob homo oder hetero. Was die Tierwelt angeht, so gibt es dort auch Homosexualität neben Heterosexualität, und Monogamie neben Polygamie, bei manchen Arten sogar alles davon, je nach Individuum, (eine Ehe, die als Institution einige priviligiert und ander diskriminiert allerdings gibt es im Tierreich nicht, und da zeigt sich der Unterschied zwischen Natur und Kultur), insofern ist "Natur" einfach kein Argument gegen Homo-Ehe oder überhaupt in Fragen des Kontexts "Ehe". Und was Deine Störche angeht, gerade bei denen kommen vom schwulen Lebenszeitpärchen bis zu heterosexuellen Tieren, die jährlich ihre Partner wechseln, alle Varianten vor, auch bisexuelle Individuen wurden schon dokumentiert. Auch wenn so manch religiös verbrämter Frömmler das nicht wahrhaben willen, es ist die Vielfalt die regiert und nicht die Einfalt, mit der so mancher leider geschlagen ist. Und bevor Du mich jetzt weiter missverstehst und in privater Rache hinter mir her stalkst und unsachliche Pöbeleien gegen mich postest, aus Deiner "verletzten Fan-Ehre" heraus (Ja, auch in dem anderen Forum hast du meine Texte von Anfang an nicht kapiert, und nicht ich sondern Du warst diejenige, die beleidigend wurde, nachdem ich lediglich eine sachlich-kritische Meinung gepostet hatte, was in einem freien Land nun einmal jedermanns Recht ist.), hier erstmal ein paar Tipps für Dich: 1. Lern Lesen, und zwar mit Textverständnis! 2. Lern Englisch, auch hier mit Textverständnis! Und 3. Lerne differenzierend zu denken!!!

  • s gibt nicht irgendeinen ,sondern einen Gott,und sein Sohn heisst Jesus Christus.Und wenn alle Menschen nach den Geboten Gottes leben würden,hätten wir hier auf der erde das Paradies.Soviel zu deinem Ausdruck die Ehe sei von irgendeinem Gott gegeben,nicht nur die Möglichkeit zur Ehe ,sondern das Menschsein selbst ist von Gott gegeben,Ich weiss,Du kennst ihn nicht ,und hoffe Du lernst Ihn kennen ,denn Gott ist wirklich gut,es lohnt sich ihn kennenzulernen.LG

  • Im übrigen widersprichst Du Dir selbst,entweder es ist eine Veranlagung oder es ist eine freie Entscheidung!Ich kann mich zum beispiel nicht entscheiden ob ich sprachlich begabt bin oder nicht ,das ist eine Begabung,aber ich kann mich frei entscheiden zu lernen auch ohne Begabung,das ist der freie Wille des Menschen.

  • Und ebenso kann sich ein Mensch entscheiden zu lernen einen heterosexuellen Paqrtner zu lieben auch wenn er der Veranlagung her sich zum gleichen Geschlecht gezogen fühlt.Ebenso wie ein Pädophiler der sich zu kleinen kindern sexuell gezogen fühlt,lernen muss einen erwachsenen Partner zu lieben.

  • Ich finde im übrigen deine ganze Art mir gegenüber unwahrscheinlich arrogant und du hast mich erst öffentlich und dann jetzt hier wieder mehrmals beleidigt ,wenn jemand nicht objektiv,sachlich und differenziert denken kann und die einfachsren Sachen nicht versteht bist ja Du.Du sieht nur DIch deine tolle Art zu denken und merkst nicht wie dumm du bist dabei.Dumm und stolz ohne Ende,

  • Tatsächlich kenne ich mich in christlicher Theologie wie auch in einer Vielzahl anderer Religionen, Glaubensrichtungen und Philosophien ziemlich gut aus und bin nicht zuletzt deshalb überzeugter Atheist und stolz darauf.

  • Und was Natur und homosexualität angeht es ist eben widernatürlich den Penis in den Hintern eines Mannes zu stecken,der Hintern ist dazu nicht da ganz einfach und die Samen verfehlen auf diese Art einfach ihren Zweck.

  • Du kennst nur eben Gott nicht und Jesus auch nicht,eine PERSON zu kennen die einen liebt ist etwas andres als sich in Theorien auszukennen.und stolz solltest du nicht sein ,wenn Du Gott nicht kennst,das ist kein Grund stolz zu sein sondern ein Grund traurig zu sein.LG

  • Wer spuckt hier Gift und Galle? Wohl doch nur eine eifernde Katholiban auf bigottem Kreuzzug, die wissenschaftliche Tatsachen verleugnet und vor lauter Scheuklappendenken nicht in der Lage ist, Texte in gehobener Sprache zu verstehen. Schön, dass Du Dich nun endlich als so bemitleidenswert hasserfüllte Frömmlerin geoutet hast, da weiß man wenigstens, woran man ist, und kann Dich künftig ignorieren, bei Personen Deiner Art hat ja jegliche Diskussion leider keinen Sinn; es wäre direkt zum Lachen, wenn es nicht so traurig wäre. Es sei denn natürlich, Du überspannst doch noch den Bogen mit Deiner Bosheit, denn dann wirst Du ein Fall für den Staatsanwalt.

  • Sehr witzig echt ich muss lachen über deine Phantasien über mich ,echt.Wie gesagt,am besten du analysierst mal dich selbst, bevor du andre Leute mit deinen gehässigen Unterstellungen zumüllst.Du hast wirklich keinen blassen Schimmer mit wem und wovon du hier schreibst

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