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Chaz Bono: Acting out

Written by Chris Azzopardi

Actor-activist on how his transness ‘was the issue that made me stop acting,’ cult seduction and his thoughts on working with mom Cher

As a radical right-winger on last year’s American Horror Story: Cult, a far cry from his liberal leanings, Chaz Bono had his breakout role at the age of 48. Why did it take so long for Bono, who just happens to be Cher’s transgender son, to make his mark as an actor?

Because Bono was often in conflict with the female gender of the person he was playing but didn’t know why.

At least not at first.

Then, suddenly, his interest in male roles changed more than just his acting career — in 2009, the activist transitioned from female to male. Years later, in 2016, Bono followed a recurring role as Reverend Rydale on The Bold and the Beautiful with a foray into Ryan Murphy’s American Horror Story anthology, first on Roanoke and then on the prolific TV creator’s grisly Trump-era Cult.

Here, Bono opens up about why understanding his gender identity was the long first step to acting again, the “bizarre” possibility of working with mom Cher and what he’s learned about LGBTQ representation from trans youth.

One of my favorite parts of you starring in American Horror Story: Cult was reading your moms tweets about the show.
You know, she gets confused a little bit. (Before I was killed off) She was in Vegas, and she and her best friend Paulette did a binge of the show, but they didn’t know I had gotten killed already, so I think that was a realization. She tweeted me about that and was like, “Was this on yet?”

What was it like to be part of a show steeped in total conservative radicalism with a cast that is so LGBTQ-oriented? The contrast is so ironic.
Yeah, it was interesting, ’cause I would say, for me, I had two very distinctive experiences on the show. The first part of it was what you just said: steeped in a lot of people in the community, and then those who are just incredibly open-minded. But then all of these guys come in and I started spending all of this time with all of these young actors and extras, and it suddenly became a different experience. That was the first time for me that I started to feel like I was in a cult, and started to experience what that feels like and the comfort it brings.

Are you saying you could understand the appeal of a cult?
I could understand the appeal a little bit, yeah. I’m somebody who keeps up with the news obsessively, but there was something nice about when I’d go to work, turning my brain off and being with a bunch of younger actors who were exuberant. It was like this full-on, testosterone-driven experience of all of us hooting and hollering and just waiting on every word that Evan (Peters) would say as (cult leader) Kai. That group mentality is very… I understood how it could be very seductive at certain times.

I found it seductive too, but I couldnt figure out how much of that was because the guys were so hot.
(Laughs) Well, yeah, that didn’t do it for me, but some of the guys were great actors. We got along really well because I’ve done a lot of theater and I’ve been at my acting studio for five years now. I’m used to being around younger actors because I haven’t been incredibly successful in my career, so I’m around young actors all the time, so I feel very comfortable and know what it’s like to be the new guy because that’s how I felt last season (on Roanoke). We kind of all bonded (on Cult), and it was just this strange experience, as this group mode mentality. And you know, we were obnoxious. It became a presence on set — I mean, I think I was maybe less obnoxious because I’m 48. (Laughs)

Why have you purposefully avoided playing trans roles?
It’s a twofold thing. First of all, I consider myself a character actor, and I really like playing parts that are very different from myself. That’s what I enjoy about acting, that’s what’s fun for me, and I think it’s what I’m really good at doing.

I don’t really have any interest in playing a trans guy because I don’t want to play something that’s close to me. If I weren’t trans, I probably would wanna play a trans person because that’s the kind of actor I am, but it doesn’t interest me that much because I’ve seen so many actors I know who are trans playing trans parts and I wanted to try to establish myself as not that. I wanted to show people that that’s just a ridiculous thing and I didn’t want to get pigeonholed, so I just waited and took small stuff here and there that wasn’t that because it’s just not the career that I want.

While working for GLAAD as entertainment media director in the 90s, you were a consultant on Ellen DeGeneres sitcom, Ellen. Especially since the shows lead, Ellen, is gay, what did it mean to be a consultant on that show?
I looked at scripts. I was doing a lot with them as far as – there was a tremendous amount of press and hoopla around the coming out stuff. We were working to coordinate a lot of that stuff for her, and then doing a lot of press because she did so little. So, picking up a lot of slack. I was actually on one of the episodes right after the coming out episode, which was fun, and just kind of there for them. It’s so long ago that I just remember always being there and organizing shit around that.

She’s a lesbian, so she knows how to portray that (laughs). But there were questions about other stuff related to the community and little specifics here and there about being a lesbian. You’d probably be surprised to find that out — because one of my good friends is the guy who handles all trans stuff for GLAAD, and so I know this — about the number of calls that he gets from actors, writers, producers, and people who want to get it right.

You hear stories from celebrities who dont necessarily want their child to go down the same showbiz path they did. Was that the case for you?
No, not at all. My mom was the one who got me into acting. I was 14 and a really miserable kid in middle school, not relating to other kids at my school and just really unhappy, and my mom made me go to an acting class. I was kind of like, “Oh god, why do I have to do this?” and I ended up falling in love with it. Then, I auditioned for a performing arts high school and got in and moved to New York, so yeah, my mom has always been incredibly supportive of creative endeavors.

Regarding your sexuality and gender identity, I know youve gone through a lot with her.
She has evolved a lot!

Is she getting the pronouns right these days?
She does get the pronouns right. Now she just gets mixed up and calls me my brother’s name. (Laughs)

Ha! Well, every mother does that.
Yeah, right! But yeah, she’s been supportive. For me, I didn’t know that I was trans at the time, but it was the issue that made me stop acting. I knew that I couldn’t play women. And I didn’t really know why at that point. I chalked everything up to being gay and masculine.

When did you realize that you couldnt play female roles?
I was 18. I was a senior in high school, and I got cast as a male in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, our big senior production at performing arts, and it was the first time I really felt like I knew what I was doing and felt comfortable and was really good. It was like, “Okay, why do I have a handle on playing a middle-aged man? Why is that easier than playing a teenage girl?”

Did you process this on your own? Did you talk to your mom?
No, I didn’t process it on my own. And I couldn’t, I wasn’t out to my mom. My mom did not handle the coming out thing well, so no, trans wasn’t there yet and what I knew was, okay, undoubtedly as a working actor I wouldn’t be able to go out for these parts. But this was the first time I really loved acting, and it didn’t feel like a struggle. It was fun and joyous and “wow.” Honestly, it didn’t really strike me until I started to realize I was transgender and looking back over my life for evidence when I was in that fact-finding part of the journey.

It’s a weird thing because, on the one hand, I try to emphasize that being transgender doesn’t affect my acting at all, which it doesn’t. I’m just an actor who happens to be transgender, but what it did affect was that, unfortunately, I started doing what I love so late in life because it happens to be a profession where you have to be comfortable and in the right body to do it.

Whats next for you acting-wise? Will we see you in this years season of American Horror Story?
I don’t know. I mean, yeah, I’ve got little projects and stuff that I’m working on, but that kind of thing takes forever. I’m hoping to have a better pilot season than last year and, yeah, we’ll see.

Are you interested in self-financing and self-directing? Have you collaborated on any projects with your mother?
No, I haven’t collaborated with her. Yeah, that I would probably do. That would be so bizarre, but I think she’s very talented (laughs). But I don’t have any interest in directing. I’m just not a very visual person, but I do have an interest in getting projects off the ground and producing. I produced a play out here — a Lee Blessing work called Down the Road, and I would probably do more.

As GLAADs former entertainment media director, are you encouraged by the increase in trans representation in media? What do you see as far as trans representation goes?
It’s interesting because I facilitate a group once a month with a bunch of other people for an organization that I’m on the board of. It’s a big organization with a lot of moving parts, but I facilitate a group for trans youth, and so we had a conversation recently and all these trans kids — middle school through college — were talking about representation. It was interesting to hear from them, because as an adult with a long life growing up in the ’80s where there was — forget about no trans representation, there was no gay or lesbian representation — my feeling is, “Wow, we’ve come so far.”

But, listen, these kids were like, “God, why am I not seeing XY and Z? I’m not seeing this, and I’m not seeing that.” It was an interesting perspective to see because we’ve come a long way, but there’s still a long way to go. And the people who need to see themselves reflected in media really badly are not getting their needs met. The number of trans youth just seems to be growing vastly, and they do not see themselves represented, and when they are, it’s the same story. It’s always about figuring it out and transitioning, and they’re like, “I don’t want to see that anymore. I want to see a trans person in sci-fi. I want to see a trans person in fantasy. I want to see trans people represented in the kind of stuff that I like. I’m not seeing that.”

Is that something you want to see as well?
Honestly, it’s not something I think about that much. My life is so much about my acting career, and so what I want is to get more work (laughs), so it’s hard. And when I think about politics or that kind of stuff, there is, to me, just bigger fish to fry. It’s been so long for me since I needed to see myself reflected in anything that you forget, so it was an interesting lesson. Because I don’t need to see myself reflected. I don’t need to relate to a character because they’re trans. If I were to say all of the things that I am, trans is at the bottom of my list, so it doesn’t affect my life in any way. It’s just a thing. It’s not a part of my identity at all.

Does the fact that last year we elected trans officials, such as Danica Roem of Virginia, excite you?
Yeah, that was amazing. That was awesome. That was a little bit more exciting, but I have to say I also get excited about any person that is a minority — that is the first person to get, in this climate, ahead.

So, any people of color, people of Muslim faith, anybody marginalized. Because at this point in my life, I see us all as the same thing. I really don’t differentiate. To me, I’ve evolved to the point where we’re all the same, and I think if everybody could get there we’d be such a large, strong majority. So, I was really excited by all the women who took office, and there was a woman of color who got elected where that had never happened before, so all those milestones were exciting for me.

As editor of Q Syndicate, the international LGBTQ wire service, Chris Azzopardi has interviewed a multitude of superstars, including Meryl Streep, Mariah Carey, and Beyoncé. Reach him via his website at www.chris-azzopardi.com and on Twitter (@chrisazzopardi).

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Chris Azzopardi

Chris Azzopardi is the editor of Q Syndicate, the international LGBT wire service. He’s also the proud recipient of an “I adore you, daaahhhling!” from Mariah Carey. Reach him via his website at chris-azzopardi.com and on Twitter @chrisazzopardi.

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